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[60分钟]60.Minutes.US.S43E02.2010.10.03.Unfinished.Business.-.The.Go.To.Guy.-.Giving.Away.A.Fortune.HDTV.XviD-YT

01.Iraq:

UnfinishedBusiness

（CBS） WhentheU.S.combatmissioninIraqendedinAugust,insteadofcelebrationsonthestreetsofBaghdadtherewasakindofuneasyreflectionaboutthecostofsevenyearsofwarandalltheunfinishedbusinessthatremains.

TheAmericancommanderwhoknowsmoreaboutthatunfinishedbusinessthananyoneisfour-starGeneralRayOdierno,whospentmoretimeinIraqthananyotherseniorofficer.In2003,heledthe4thInfantryDivisionthatcapturedSaddamHussein.Hehelpedimplementthe"surge"asGeneralPetraeus'numbertwo.

AndbecamenumberonehimselftwoyearsagowhenIraqwassoviolent,heneverleftthebasewithoutwearingfullbodyarmor.Lastmonth,ashewasabouttorelinquishcommand,heshowedusaverydifferentIraq.

WhenaskedbycorrespondentLesleyStahlwhetherhewaswearingarmorataBaghdadmarket,thegeneraltoldher,"No,I'mnot."

AsGeneralOdiernolooksbackonhistwoyearsascommander,hesaysthatdespitearecentwaveofbombings,thelevelofviolencehascomedownconsiderably.HislastactasthemaninchargewastooverseetheU.S.militarydrawdown,thelargestmovementoftroopsandmaterielsinceWorldWarII.

Itwasalogisticaltourdeforce,involvingover40,000armoredvehicles,jeepsandbulldozers;2.2millionseparateitemshadtobesorted,stackedandpacked,aswellas7,000tonsofammunition.

TheArmy's4thStrykerBrigade,2ndInfantryDivisionwasthelastcombatunittoleave.IttookthemthreedaysandnightstomoveacrosstheborderintoKuwait.

ButmanyIraqiswonderwhattheU.S.occupationaccomplished,asweleavetheircountrywithalitanyofunresolvedissues,nottheleastbeingpoliticaldisarray:

Iraq'sparliamentremainedlocked,darkandempty,fornearlysevenmonthswhilethepoliticianswrangledoverwhowouldbethenextprimeminister.

"Peoplearebeginningtowonder,youknow,ifthiscountrycanreallysustaindemocracy,"Stahlremarked.

"Well,Ithinkwehavetosee.Imean,Istillthinkit'stooearlytotell,"Odiernosaid."IfyoulookinUnitedStateshistory,democracywasprettyuglyinthebeginning.Thisisaverydifficultformofgovernment.ButIthinktheyreallywantit."

"IfIwereanIraqi,I'dsay'Wehadthisgreatelection.We'resoproudofourselves.Butwhatdidtheygetforit?

'"Stahlasked.

"Youhadanelectionthatwasfreeandpeoplewereabletovoteforthepeopletheythought.Itwasaverycloseelection.Averycloseelection,"Odiernoreplied."WhenhaveyouseenacloseelectionintheArabworld?

"

ButthequestionforpeoplelikeRahadalHindiis:

whathasdemocracymeantfortheirdailylives?

TheUnitedStateshasspent$50billiontryingtorebuildIraq,including$5billiontoimprovetheelectricalgrid,butaswediscovered,thegridbarelyworks.

Peoplewhocanaffordthembuygenerators,whichexplainstherats'nestsofwiresyouseeeverywhere.

ButRahad,afactoryworker,can'taffordmuch,sosheandherfamilyliveheremostlyinthedark.Theygetonlytwohoursofelectricityaday,sonopowerforafan,forarefrigerator,orapumptobringwaterintotheirapartment.

Rahadandherbrother,Bassam,getwaterfromtheirneighborswithgenerators,onepailatatime.It'sadailytrekbackdownthestairwellandupthestreetandthenbackagain.Ifherneighborsaren'thome,Rahadsaysthere'snowater.

"Theyweren'tthere,ohno!

"Stahlremarked,afterRahadreturnedwithanemptypail."Sonowyouhavetowaitforthemtocomehomebeforeyoucanhaveanywater?

"

It'shardtotelljusthowrepresentativeRahadis:

overallinIraq,percapitaincomehasjumpednearly700percentsince2003.Butwecouldn'tfindanyonewhodidn'tcomplainaboutthequalityoflife.

（CBS） "SomeonesaidthatsincetheAmericanshavebeenhere,theonlythingthat'sgottenbetteristheyhavemorecellphonesandmoretelevisionchannels.TheyexpectedtheAmericanstofixthings,"StahltoldOdierno.

"Thisisnotaboutusfixingthings.ThisisaboutushelpingtheIraqistofixthings.Let'stakealookbackhere:

ifyouwerebackin2006and'07youwouldn'tseethousandsandthousandsofcarsonthestreet.Youwouldn'tseethousandsandthousandsofnewbusinesses.Youkindofmakefunof-there'smorecellphones.Welltherearemorecellphones.Theyweren'tevenallowedtohavecellphonesbefore.Theyweren'tallowedtohavesatellitedishes.Solet'sreallytakealookatwhat'schangedhere,"thegeneralreplied.

"WeinterviewedanIraqiuniversityprofessor.Andhesays,'Whatweneedisamilitarystrongman.'AndIwonderifyousensethatthereisbeginningtobeayearning,Ihatetosaytheword,foradictatorship?

"Stahlasked.

"Idon'tthinkso,"Odiernoreplied."Ithinkthesepeoplestruggledsignificantlyfor30yearsnow.AndIdon'tthinkthey'rereadytogobacktoadictatorship."

ThatuniversityprofessorisSafaBayatiwhosupportedtheU.S.invasion,butnowseesadarkfutureforhiscountry.

"IthinknowAmericashouldbringaverystrongmilitarymantoruleIraqbeforetheyleave,"SafatoldStahl.

"Ican'tbelieveyou'resayingthat.SaddamHusseinwasamilitaryman,"Stahlsaid.

"Yes,"Safareplied."NowSaddamistheveryworstone.Butnowwhatwehavefromthepolitics,thosepoliticsnow:

theyareruling,theyaremuch,muchworserthanSaddam."

Youwon'thearthatsentimentinthenorthernpartofthecountry,inKurdistan.TheretheytrembleatthethoughtofanotherSaddam.

BarhamSalihistheprimeministerofIraqiKurdistan."Wefearthatdictatorshipwillre-emerge.Andwehavehadsuchterriblehistoryofgenocideandethniccleansing,"hetoldStahl.

Askedifthat'sthebiggestfear,theprimeministersaid,"Ofcourse.Halabjahappenedin1988:

inonesingleday5,000civiliansweregassedtodeathbySaddamHussein.Peoplecannotforgetthatandshouldnotforgetit."

Withthathistory,theKurdswantasmuchindependencefromthecentralgovernmentaspossible.They'vebeenabletoestablishwhatlookslikeaseparatecountry:

Kurdistanhasitsownflag,itsownarmy,itsownparliamentandpresident,anditsownmuchmorethrivingeconomy.Thequestionis,dotheywanttobeapartofIraqoranindependentstate?

"EveryKurd,includingmyself,deepdowninmyheart,IwanttoseeanindependentKurdistan.Butitisnotaboutwhatyouwant.It'saboutwhatispossible.Wehavemadeadeliberatejudgment.Wehavechosentobepartofademocratic,federalIraq,"PrimeMinisterSalihsaid.

"Soyou'recommittedtostayingwithinIraq?

"Stahlasked.

"AdemocraticIraq,"Salihreplied."AdictatorialIraq,Icannotgivethat?

commitment."

ButstayinginIraqdoesn'tmeantherearen'tborderdisputeswiththerestofIraq,asiftheywereaseparatecountry.GeneralOdiernoflewwithStahloveroneofthemostvolatilepiecesofunfinishedbusiness,whattheycallthe"disputedareas."

（CBS） TheKurdsandthecentralgovernmenteachclaimthedisputedarea,a300-milelongcorridor,astheirs.Tensionsgotsoheatedtherelastyear,thattheKurdisharmy,thePeshMerga,almostwenttowarwiththeIraqiarmy.

Tocalmthingsdown,OdiernoorganizedteamsofPeshMerga,IraqiandU.S.soldierstomancheckpointstogetherandpatroltheregion.

"There'salotofmistrust.So?

we'retryingtobuildtrustbetweenthemandhopethiswouldhelp,"Odiernoexplained.

Butthere'sanotherdisputebetweenthetwosides,that'sjustascontentious:

oil.

"Thisisoneofthemajorpointsthatneedstoberesolvedveryquickly,becausethiscannotbeallowedtocontinue,"HusseinShahristani,theministerofoilinBaghdad,toldStahl.

Shahristanisaysthisissueissosubversiveitthreatenstofragmentthecountry.HesaystheKurdshaveillegallyhiredoilcompaniesfromChina,Turkey,Norwayandelsewheretoexploreanddeveloptheiroilindependentlyofthecentralgovernment.

"They'vewentandsignedsomecontracts,whichwedeclaredasunconstitutional,"heexplained.

"ButasIunderstandit,whatyousayisillegalisexactlywhathasbeengoingon.Theyhavehiredsomethinglike40smallishoilcompaniestodeveloptheoilfields.Sowhathappensnow?

"Stahlasked.

"Thiscannotbeallowedtocontinue,thattheIraqioilistakenoutfromIraqiterritory,sold,themoneyiscollectedbywedon'tknowwho.Notdeposited,"Shahristanisaid.

"So,youdon'tknowwherethemoneygoes?

"Stahlasked.

"Exactly,"hereplied.

Accordingtotheminister,"notasingledinar"ismakingitdowntoBaghdad.

OneofhismorestartlingaccusationsisthatoneofthecountriestheKurdsaresellingtheiroiltoisIran.Iftrue,thatwouldseemtoundermine,ifnotoutrightviolateU.S.sanctionsthatprohibitsuchsales.

"AretheKurdssellingoiltoIran?

"StahlaskedOdierno.

"TheysaytheyarenotsellingoiltoIran,"Odiernoreplied.

"Andyoudon't.Myquestionis:

youdon'treallyknowtheansweratthispoint,"Stahlremarked.

"Buttheministerofoilsaystheymightbe.We'retryingtogettherightanswer,"thegeneralsaid.

Wedecidedtolookforourselves,sowedroveclosetotheborderbetweenIraqiKurdistanandIranandfoundoiltruckslinedupasfarastheeyecouldsee.

Nobodystoppedus,asonedriverafteranothertoldustheyweretransportingfueloilandgasoline.WefollowedthemandwatchedthemcrossintoIranonebyone.

（CBS） WhenStahlaskedBarhamSalih,theKurdishprimeminister,aboutthisheseemedreluctanttoadmitthesales."Look,wha