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DragonTVInterview:

DevelopingaComprehensive,IntegratedDialogueWithChina

HillaryRodhamClinton

SecretaryofState

InterviewWithYangLanofDragonTV

Beijing,China

February22,2009

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MS.YANG:

ButthisisabeautifulEmbassy.

SECRETARYCLINTON:

Isn'titIamsoproudandimpressedbyit.Ittookalongtimetobuild,butitisverybeautifulandveryfunctional.AndthearchitectureisChinese-inspired,soit'sreallyawonderfuladditiontoourembassycommunity.

MS.YANG:

Andsoyouaregoingbacktoday,right

SECRETARYCLINTON:

Yes.Ihavetogobacktoday.

MS.YANG:

Andjustintimetocelebrateyourdaughter's29thbirthday.

SECRETARYCLINTON:

That'strue.Shewillbe29onFriday.AndIamverymuchlookingforwardtoseeingherforabirthdaydinner.

MS.YANG:

Okay.SowhatkindofpathdoyouliketoseehertakeIknowshehasbeenstudyinghealthpolicyandmanagementatColumbia.

SECRETARYCLINTON:

That'sright.Ithinksheissomeonewhochartsherownpath,andIamveryimpressedanddelightedatthechoicesthatshehasmade.Ijust,likemostmothers,wanthertobehappyandhaveagoodlife.AndthatisreallyallIwishforher.

MS.YANG:

Doessheresembleyouinthewaysthatshedoesthings

SECRETARYCLINTON:

Ithinksheisagoodcombinationofbothherfatherandme.Shehasaverywonderfulpersonality,andsheisahardworker,andsheisagoodfriendandacaringperson.SoIamjustveryhappytobehermother.

MS.YANG:

IknowyouhavejusthadadialoguewiththeChinesewomen.Someofthemyouhaveknownfor11years.Well,totheyoungergenerationofwomen,likeyourdaughters,whatkindofadvicewouldyouliketogivetothosewhoaspiretosucceedandlead,butcouldbeafraidoffailure

SECRETARYCLINTON:

Well,that'sagoodwayofphrasingthequestion,becauseIthinkthatovercomingyourfears,whetheryou'reayoungwomanorayoungman,tobewillingtotakearisk,totrysomethingdifferent,tofollowyourheart,topursueyourdreams,takesacertainlevelofcourage.

AndIjusttrytotellyoungpeoplewhoaskmeallthetimewhatIthinkaboutthebestwayforwardistobetruetothemselves,youknow,tolistentotheirownheart,todowhatgivesthemjoyinlife,andmeaningintheirpublicandprofessionalcareers.AndIthinkifyoudothat,youmaychange,youmaytakeadifferentpath.Butifyoucankeepfocusedonwhatyoubelieveisimportant,Ithinkthat'sthebestwaytoproceed.

MS.YANG:

Let'sgetbacktothistrip.InyourtestimonytotheSenateForeignRelationsCommittee,yousuggestedthatU.S.shouldusesmartpowertohandleinternationalissues.Howisthatapproach,orstrategy,reflectedinyourAsiantrip,especiallyyourtriptoChina

SECRETARYCLINTON:

Well,itisourgoalintheObamaadministrationtoreachouttotherestoftheworldusingeverytoolatourdisposal.IliketotalkaboutthethreeD'sofourforeignpolicy:

defense,diplomacy,development.

Wewanttoemphasize,particularly,diplomacyanddevelopment.AndwhatIhavetriedtodointhemonththatIhavehadthispositionistomakeclearthatwewillrepresentanddefendtheinterestsandthesecurityandthevaluesoftheUnitedStates,butwewanttolisten.

Wearedifferentcountriesanddifferentcultures.ChinaandtheUnitedStateshaveverydifferenthistories.Andweneedtounderstandeachotherbettersothatwecanfindmorecommonground.AndIwasencouragedbymytalkswithyourleadership,thatthereareanumberofareaswecanworkontogether.

Weareconstructing,andhaveagreed,inprinciple,toastrategicandeconomicdialoguethatwillnotonlyincludetheeconomiccrisis,whichisveryimportant,thatChinaandAmericaleadonarecovery,globally,butcleanenergyandclimatechange,andmoreeducationalexchanges,andpeople-to-peopleexchanges,moreworkonhealthcare,medicine,science.

Iwanttodeepenandbroadentheconnections,notonlybetweengovernmentofficials,asimportantatthatis,butbetweenallkindsofChineseandAmericans.

MS.YANG:

Youknow,formerTreasurySecretaryPaulsonusedtochampionthedialogueinthestructureoftheStrategicEconomicDialogue.HaveyouconvincedPresidentObamatolettheStateDepartmenttakebackthereignsAnd,ifso,whatkindofnewframeworkofdialoguearewetalkingabout

SECRETARYCLINTON:

Well,wearegoingtohaveacomprehensive,integrateddialogue.Itwillbeco-chairedbymyselfandtheTreasurySecretary,becauseIthinktherewasanawarenessthatourpriorengagementatthedialoguelevel,government-to-government,wasveryheavilydominatedbyeconomicconcerns,andbytraditionalTreasurypriorities.Theyareveryimportantbutthatisnottheonlyhigh-leveldialoguethatneedstooccur.

So,wehavealwayshadalotofinteractionatmanylevelsofourgovernments.Butwhatwewanttodoistointegratethose,andtohaveourtwoPresidents,whentheymeetattheG-20summitinApril,announcethemechanismthatwewillbepursuingnow.

MS.YANG:

HaveyoufoundtheterminologytodefinetherelationshipbetweenourtwocountriesBecauseunderyourhusband'sadministrationwecalledit"constructivestrategicpartnership,"andthen,intheBushadministrationwecalledit"stakeholders."Haveyoufoundthenewwordsyet

SECRETARYCLINTON:

Well,I'mnotasinterestedinthewordsasintheactions.Ithinkthatwehaveevolveddramaticallyinourrelationshipoverthe30yearsthatwehavehaddiplomaticrelations.ChinahasgrownjustexponentiallyinawaythatisarealtributetothepeopleofChina.

ButwhatwenowneedtodoisdemonstratethattheUnitedStatesandChinacanworkproductivelytogether,notonlyonthoseissuesthatwehavebilateralconcernsover,buttoshowleadershiptotherestoftheworld.

Ifyoujusttaketwomajorissuesconfrontingtheworld,Idon'tthinkit'srealistictoexpectthatwewillseeglobalrecoverywithoutChineseandAmericancooperationandleadership.IknowthatitisnotrealistictoexpectthatwecandealwithglobalclimatechangewithouttheUnitedStatesandChinaworkingtogether.

So,whatwearetalkingaboutisveryconcreteandspecific.Itisnotsomuchthedescription,astherealityandthecontentofwhatwewilldotogetherthatwe'refocusingon.

MS.YANG:

Okay.YouquotedChinesestory,(speaksChinese),whichmeans,"Weareinthesameboat"totackleeconomiccrisis.

SECRETARYCLINTON:

Yes.

MS.YANG:

Yet,atthesametime,the"BuyAmerican"rhetorictriggeredanotherroundoffearofprotectionism.HowwouldtheU.S.governmentreconciletheinternationalresponsibilitywiththedemandofdomesticconstituencies

SECRETARYCLINTON:

Well,PresidentObamawasveryquicktoact,andtomakeclearthatwearenotgoingtoengageinprotectionism.And,withrespecttotheprovisionthatwasinthestimuluspackage,itmustbecompliantwithourinternationalagreements.

WeknowthataroundofprotectionismisnotinAmerica'sinterests.It'simportantthatweworkwithcountrieslikeChina,andothers,toestablishaframeworkforrenewedeconomicgrowthandprosperity.

Now,wealsohaveworktodoathome.Notonlydowehavetostimulateoureconomy,butwehavetobeworkingtoenhanceourmanufacturingbase,workonourautomobileindustry.Sowehavealotofinternaldecision-makingthatisimportanttooureconomicfuture.AndIthinkChinadoes,too.mean,Chinaisstimulatingyoureconomyatthecentralgovernmentlevel.Youarelookingtodealwithproblemslikemigrantworkerswhonolongerhavejobs.

So,weeachhaveourowninternaldomesticchallenges.Butwecannotsolvethoseattheexpenseofgeneratingglobalgrowthagain,whichwillbenefitbothofourpeople.

MS.YANG:

Youcertainlyhaveyourhandsfull,withallsortsofchallengesandproblemsaroundtheworld,fromIraqtoGazaStrip,fromnuclearproliferationtoclimatechange.Andthen,ofcourse,theeconomiccrisis.

Howwouldyousetanachievabletargetforyourterm,assecretaryofstate

SECRETARYCLINTON:

Well,it'strue,thatwehavecomeintoofficeatatimeofsomanyproblems.Youmentionedafewofthemostwellknown.Idon'tknowthatwecanpickandchoose.It'soneofthereasonswhyIhaveadvocatedtheappointmentofspecialenvoys,becauseIthinkweneed,astheysay,allhandsondeck.Everyonehastoworkhardtogethertotrytountanglesomeoftheseproblems,tolookforsolutionswherepossible.

So,Idon'thavetheluxuryofsaying,"Iwillonlyworkonthis."Ihavetobeveryconsciousofeverythinggoingonintheworld.ButIdidchoosetocome,formyfirsttrip,toAsia,becauseIwanttosendaclearmessagethattheUnitedStatesisbothatrans-Pacific,aswellasatrans-Atlanticpower,andthatmuchofwhatweseeasthepotentialforpositivegrowthandgoodrelationsinthe21stcenturywillcomewithAsiancountrieslikeChina.

MS.YANG:

Thankyouverymuchforyourtime,althoughitfallsshortofmyquestions.Well,canIsqueezejustonemore

SECRETARYCLINTON:

Sure.

MS.YANG:

DoyouthinkthatChinashouldfurtherinvestintoAmericantreasurybondsBecausethereisadebatehere-withunclearfuture,weshouldstopbuyingmore.

SECRETARYCLINTON:

Well,IcertainlydothinkthattheChinesegovernmentandthecentralbankhereinChinaismakingaverysmartdecisionbycontinuingtoinvestintreasurybondsfortworeasons.

First,becauseit'sagoodinvestment.It'sasafeinvestment.Evendespitetheeconomicchallengessweepingovertheworld,theUnitedStateshasawell-deservedfinancialstabilityreputation.

And,secondly,becauseoureconomiesaresointertwined.TheChineseknowthat,inordert

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