美国总统竞选电视辩论一场文字稿.docx

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美国总统竞选电视辩论一场文字稿

JIMLEHRER:

GoodeveningfromtheMagnessArenaattheUniversityofDenverinDenver,Colorado.I'mJimLehrerofthePBSNewsHour,andIwelcomeyoutothefirstofthe2022presidentialdebatesbetweenPresidentBarackObama,theDemocraticnominee,andformerMassachusettsGovernorMittRomney,theRepublicannominee.

Thisdebateandthenextthree—twopresidential,onevice-presidential—aresponsoredbytheCommissiononPresidentialDebates.

Tonight's90minuteswillbeaboutdomesticissues,andwillfollowaformatdesignedbythecommission.Therewillbesixroughly15-minutesegments,withtwo-minuteanswersforthefirstquestion,thenopendiscussionfortheremainderofeachsegment.

ThousandsofpeopleofferedsuggestionsonsegmentsubjectsofquestionsviatheInternetandothermeans,butImadethefinalselections,andfortherecord,theywerenotsubmittedforapprovaltothecommissionorthecandidates.

Thesegments,asIannouncedinadvance,willbethreeontheeconomyandoneeachonhealthcare,theroleofgovernment,andgoverning,withanemphasisthroughoutondifferences,specificsandchoices.Bothcandidateswillalsohavetwo-minuteclosingstatements.

Theaudiencehereinthehallhaspromisedtoremainsilent.Nocheers,applause,boos,hisses—amongothernoisydistractingthings—sowemayallconcentrateonwhatthecandidateshavetosay.Thereisanoiseexceptionrightnow,though,aswewelcomePresidentObamaandGovernorRomney.（Cheers,applause.）

Gentlemen,welcometoyouboth.

Let'sstarttheeconomy,segmentone.Andlet'sbeginwithjobs.Whatarethemajordifferencesbetweenthetwoofyouabouthowyouwouldgoaboutcreatingnewjobs?

Youhavetwominutes—eachofyouhavetwominutestostart.Thecointosshasdetermined,Mr.President,yougofirst.

PRESIDENTBARACKOBAMA:

Well,thankyouverymuch,Jim,forthisopportunity.IwanttothankGovernorRomneyandtheUniversityofDenverforyourhospitality.

TherearealotofpointsthatIwanttomaketonight,butthemostimportantoneisthat20yearsagoIbecametheluckiestmanonearthbecauseMichelleObamaagreedtomarryme.（Laughter.）AndsoIjustwanttowish,Sweetie,youhappyanniversaryandletyouknowthatayearfromnow,wewillnotbecelebratingitinfrontof40millionpeople.（Laughter.）

Youknow,fouryearsagowewentthroughtheworstfinancialcrisissincetheGreatDepression.Millionsofjobswerelost.Theautoindustrywasonthebrinkofcollapse.Thefinancialsystemhadfrozenup.AndbecauseoftheresilienceandthedeterminationoftheAmericanpeople,we'vebeguntofightourwayback.

Overthelast30months,we'veseen5millionjobsintheprivatesectorcreated.Theautoindustryhascomeroaringbackandhousinghasbeguntorise.Butweallknowthatwe'vestillgotalotofworktodo.Andsothequestionheretonightisnotwherewe'vebeenbutwherewe'regoing.GovernorRomneyhasaperspectivethatsaysifwecuttaxes,skewedtowardsthewealthy,androllbackregulationsthatwe'llbebetteroff.

I'vegotadifferentview.Ithinkwe'vegottoinvestineducationandtraining.Ithinkit'simportantforustodevelopnewsourcesofenergyhereinAmerica,thatwechangeourtaxcodetomakesurethatwe'rehelpingsmallbusinessesandcompaniesthatareinvestinghereintheUnitedStates,thatwetakesomeofthemoneythatwe'resavingaswewinddowntwowarstorebuildAmericaandthatwereduceourdeficitinabalancedwaythatallowsustomakethesecriticalinvestments.

Now,itultimatelyisgoingtobeuptothevoters,toyou,whichpathweshouldtake.Arewegoingtodoubledownonthetop-downeconomicpoliciesthathelpedtogetusintothismess,ordoweembraceaneweconomicpatriotismthatsays,Americadoesbestwhenthemiddleclassdoesbest?

AndI'mlookingforwardtohavingthatdebate.

MR.LEHRER:

GovernorRomney,twominutes.

MR.ROMNEY:

Thankyou,Jim.It'sanhonortobeherewithyou,andIappreciatethechancetobewiththepresident.IampleasedtobeattheUniversityofDenver,appreciatetheirwelcomeandalsothepresidentialcommissiononthesedebates.

Andcongratulationstoyou,Mr.President,onyouranniversary.I'msurethiswasthemostromanticplaceyoucouldimaginehere—herewithme,soI—（laughter）—congratulations.

Thisisobviouslyaverytendertopic.I'vehadtheoccasionoverthelastcoupleofyearsofmeetingpeopleacrossthecountry.IwasinDayton,Ohio,andawomangrabbedmyarm,andshesaid,I'vebeenoutofworksinceMay.Canyouhelpme?

AnnyesterdaywasarallyinDenver,andawomancameuptoherwithababyinherarmsandsaid,Ann,myhusbandhashadfourjobsinthreeyears,part-timejobs.He'slosthismostrecentjob,andwe'venowjustlostourhome.Canyouhelpus?

Andtheanswerisyes,wecanhelp,butit'sgoingtotakeadifferentpath,nottheonewe'vebeenon,nottheonethepresidentdescribesasatop-down,cuttaxesfortherich.That'snotwhatI'mgoingtodo.

Myplanhasfivebasicparts.One,getusenergyindependent,NorthAmericanenergyindependent.Thatcreatesaboutfourmillionjobs.Numbertwo,openupmoretrade,particularlyinLatinAmerica;crackdownonChinaifandwhentheycheat.Numberthree,makesureourpeoplehavetheskillstheyneedtosucceedandthebestschoolsintheworld.We'refarawayfromthatnow.Numberfour,getustoabalancedbudget.Numberfive,championsmallbusiness.

It'ssmallbusinessthatcreatesthejobsinAmerica.Andoverthelastfouryearssmall-businesspeoplehavedecidedthatAmericamaynotbetheplacetoopenanewbusiness,becausenewbusinessstartupsaredowntoa30-yearlow.Iknowwhatittakestogetsmallbusinessgrowingagain,tohirepeople.

Now,I'mconcernedthatthepaththatwe'reonhasjustbeenunsuccessful.Thepresidenthasaviewverysimilartotheviewhehadwhenheranfouryearsago,thatabiggergovernment,spendingmore,taxingmore,regulatingmore—ifyouwill,trickle-downgovernmentwouldwork.That'snottherightanswerforAmerica.I'llrestorethevitalitythatgetsAmericaworkingagain.

Thankyou.

MR.LEHRER:

Mr.President,pleaseresponddirectlytowhatthegovernorjustsaidabouttrickle-down—histrickle-downapproach.He's—ashesaidyoursis.

PRESIDENTOBAMA:

Well,letmetalkspecificallyaboutwhatIthinkweneedtodo.

First,we'vegottoimproveoureducationsystem.Andwe'vemadeenormousprogressdrawingonideasbothfromDemocratsandRepublicansthatarealreadystartingtoshowgainsinsomeofthetoughest-to-deal-withschools.We'vegotaprogramcalledRacetotheTopthathaspromptedreformsin46statesaroundthecountry,raisingstandards,improvinghowwetrainteachers.SonowIwanttohireanotherhundredthousandnewmathandscienceteachersandcreate2millionmoreslotsinourcommunitycollegessothatpeoplecangettrainedforthejobsthatareoutthererightnow.AndIwanttomakesurethatwekeeptuitionlowforouryoungpeople.

Whenitcomestoourtaxcode,GovernorRomneyandIbothagreethatourcorporatetaxrateistoohigh.SoIwanttolowerit,particularlyformanufacturing,takingitdownto25percent.ButIalsowanttoclosethoseloopholesthataregivingincentivesforcompaniesthatareshippingjobsoverseas.IwanttoprovidetaxbreaksforcompaniesthatareinvestinghereintheUnitedStates.

Onenergy,GovernorRomneyandI,webothagreethatwe'vegottoboostAmericanenergyproduction.

Andoilandnaturalgasproductionarehigherthanthey'vebeeninyears.ButIalsobelievethatwe'vegottolookattheenergysourceofthefuture,likewindandsolarandbiofuels,andmakethoseinvestments.

So,allofthisispossible.Now,inorderforustodoit,wedohavetocloseourdeficit,andoneofthethingsI'msurewe'llbediscussingtonightis,howdowedealwithourtaxcode,andhowdowemakesurethatwearereducingspendinginaresponsibleway,butalsohowdowehaveenoughrevenuetomakethoseinvestments?

Andthisiswherethere'sadifferencebecauseGovernorRomney'scentraleconomicplancallsfora$5trilliontaxcut,ontopoftheextensionoftheBushtaxcuts,sothat'sanother$2trillion,and$2trillioninadditionalmilitaryspendingthatthemilitaryhasn'taskedfor.That's$8trillion.Howwepayforthat,reducethedeficitandmaketheinvestmentsthatweneedtomakewithoutdumpingthosecostsonthemiddle-classAmericansIthinkisoneofthecentralquestionsofthiscampaign.

MR.LEHRER:

Bothofyouhavespokenaboutalotofdifferentthings,andwe'regoingtotrytogetthroughtheminasspecificawayaswepossiblycan.

Butfirst,GovernorRomney,doyouhaveaquestionthatyou'dliketoaskthepresidentdirectlyaboutsomethinghejustsaid?

MR.ROMNEY:

Well,sure.I'dliketoclearuptherecordandgothroughitpiecebypiece.Firstofall,Idon'thavea$5trilliontaxcut.Idon'thaveataxcutofascalethatyou'retalkingabout.Myviewisthatweoughttoprovidetaxrelieftopeopleinthemiddleclass.ButI'mnotgoingtoreducetheshareoftaxespaidbyhigh-incomepeople.High-incomepeoplearedoingjustfineinthiseconomy.They'lldofinewhetheryou'represidentorIam.

Thepeoplewhoarehavingthehardtimerightnowaremiddle-incomeAmericans.Underthepresident'spolicies,middle-incomeAmericanshavebeenburied.They're—they'rejustbeingcrushed.Middle-incomeAmericanshaveseentheirincomecomedownby$4,300.Thisisa—thisisataxinandofitself.I'llcallittheeconomytax.It'sbeencrushing.Thesametime,gasolinepriceshavedoubledunderthepresident,electricratesareup,foodpricesareup,healthcarecostshave