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ADSE11JobsandEducation

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Today'ssubjectisjobsandeducation...uh...thisissome-thingthatanyofuscanrelateto.

Vivian:

ThisisViv.

Daisy:

Yes.ThisisDaisy.Definitely.Youknowthere'snosubstituteforagreateducation,Ithinkandyouknowifyouwannagetthatjob.Butthenagain,youhavetobeeducatingyourselffortherightreasons.ButIguesswe'llgetintothatalittlebitlaterso,howaboutyou,Bow?

 Bow:

Oh,yes...heythisisBow.ThatisshortforBoseesis.Ihavetwothingsaboutthejobandeducation...overtoyouLuke?

Luke:

IthinkajobisaneducationandIthinkeducationisnotsomethingyoudoatschoolnecessarily.Ithinkit'ssomethingyoudoforwholelifeandyoudoitwhereveryouarewheneveryouarewhateveryouare.

Vivian:

Wellobviously,theyarebothrelatedandwe'lldiscussmoreaboutit.Herewego.

Daisy:

Well,youknowschoolforme...um...backwaywaywayback..,alongtimeago,Ireallydidn'tenjoyitmyself.Ididn'thavegoodschoolexperience.Howaboutyou,Bow?

 Bow:

Oh!

Areyoutalkingabouthighschoolorcollege?

Daisy:

Highschool.

 Bow:

Uh.Highschool..,um...WellIreallydidn'tcaremuchaboutstudying...Iliketoum...havefun.AndtheysaylikeinAmerica,itwasthebestyearsofyourlife.

Daisy:

Right.

 Bow:

Welltheyweren'treallyIsuppose.

Daisy:

No,meneither.

 Bow:

BecauseIfooledaroundsomuchIgotkickedout.

Vivian:

YougotkickedoutofCatholicschool?

 Bow:

Ididn'tsayCatholicschool.Howdidyouknowthat?

Viv,YesIdid.

Daisy:

Forwhat?

 Bow:

Um...wehaveademeritsystemandifyougetupto20demeritstheykickyouout.AndtheykindofjustletmekeepgoingandIhad40.Twicetheamountandtheysaidwehavetomakeanexampleofyou,misterBowandtheykickedmeout.

Vivian:

Sowe'resayinglikewhatexactlywerethereasonsyou'vegotdemerits,youknow,likewhatkindofa...youknow...

 Bow:

Letmesee...Igotcaughtcheating..,oncethatwas5demeritsandthenuh...Ilitafireinthepotteryroomandthatwas..,uhthatwasprobablytheendofitrightthere..,thefirething.

Daisy:

Didyoudoitonpurpose?

 Bow:

Yes,Idid.BecausetherewasthispieceofworkthatIdidn'treallylikeandIpouredsomegluein,andlititonfirebutthenItriedtoputitoutwithwaterbutthenitkindofdispersedallovertheplaceandIgotintrouble.

Daisy:

Sokindofyouweren'tplanningtobethatbigbutitjustkindofgotoutofhand.

 Bow:

Yehitescalated.

Daisy:

HowaboutyouLuke?

Howwasyourschoolexperiences?

Luke:

Similarexperience.Itwasmorefocusedon...onsociallife,andrecreationalstuffthanactualstudying.Ithinkthat'swhatalotofhighschoolandelementaryschoolisforpeoplebackhome.Theonlytimeyoureallybuckleddownwhenyougettouniversityjustbecauseyouhavetobecausethecourseloaddoesincrease.ButIneverreallyyehIwasneverthatfreakedupbyhighschool..,anythingIappliedmyselfabitmoreincollegeandjustgoofedoffgotintrouble...IusedtosellfirecrackersinmylockerandonetimeItapedonetoacandleandItriedtoblowitoutanditexplodedandIgotsuspendedforadayforthat,andanothertimeIthrewapieinthecafeteriaacrosstheroomIgotintroubleforthatstartedafoodfight.

 Bow:

Iusedtothrowbooksoutofthewindowofthelibrary.That'skindofsimilar.

Luke:

That'sprettybad.

Daisy:

I,Iusedtostealbooksfromlibrary.

Luke:

Yeh.

Vivian:

Badgirl.

Luke:

Terrible.

Daisy:

HowaboutyouViv?

Vivian:

Me.Iwasasuchagoodgirlinschool.IusedtolookdownuponallthosegirlswhousedtogatherinbathroomsandsmokeinthestallsIwasalwaysearlytoschool..,andmyPEteachersjustlovedme...theyjustatemeup.Iswear.IcancallthemandI'djustopenmymouthandtheywerelike"Oh!

Vivian,you'resuchagoodstudent"...yeh...IkindofhaditmadeinschoolIguess.

Daisy:

Um,didyoudowellinschool?

Vivian:

Ohyeh.IwasastraightAstudent.

Daisy:

Anddidyougraduatefromhighschoolvaledictorian?

Vivian:

No,notexactly.Last6monthsatschoolweresotragicformeandmymom.Wejust..,youknow...Idroppedoutofschool.Ijustcouldn'ttakeitanymorebeingaperfectstudent.

Daisy:

Thepressure..,thepressureofbeingstraightAstudent?

Vivian:

Icanit'sjustyouwannatrydifferentthingsandafterjusteverythingbeinghandedtoyouonasilverplatter..,youknowyoujustwannadosomethingdifferent..,andjustonedayIjustdecidedwellIdidn'twannagotoschoolandIwantedtoplayhookyandit'sjustitwassomuchfreedomallatonceIguess.

 Bow:

That'skindofinteresting.ThedifferencebetweentheKoreanyouwereraisedsortofinbetweenaKoreaneducationalsystemandAmericanstyleofeducation.AndonethingInoticedabouttheKoreaneducationsystemisfromthetimeyouenterschoolmaybepre-schooltothetimemaybetotheendofhighschool,thisisthetimewherewegoofedoffbasicallyappliedourselvesaminimalamountofefforttogetthegradesandgetthingsdone.WhereasthatwholetimeinKorea,intheKoreansociety,childrenarebeingpushedtostudyalmosteveryminutetheyhave.Theygotoschoolandtheyarepushedtostudytheygotoacademicinstitutestostudy,they'reoftenpushedbytheirparentstohave..,totakepianolessonsorgymnasticlessonsorskatinglessonsoranykindoflessons.Theyneverreallyhavetimetojustbekidsandgoofoffandplayandstuff.Andthenwhentheyhituniversityit'salmostliketheyregressbackintothechildhoodstateofmindandifyouseenuniversityclassroomswiththespeakingandchattingduringclassleaningoneachotherandcheatingandjustgoofingoffandhavingagayol'time.It'sjustsocontrastedtowhatanAmericanuniversityclassroomwouldlooklikewhereeveryone'sattentiveandconscientiouslystudyingandgivingtheirfullattentiontotheprofessor.

 Bow:

Well,that'sthethingifthey'renotthenthey'vekickedout.

Luke:

Exactly.

Vivian:

Idefinitelyagree.That'sexactlyhowthedifferenceinculturesis.MymotherbeingKoreanandmyfatherbeingAmerican.Myfatherwasmoresubmissiveintherelationshipssohekindofletmymothertakeoverthefamily.Butthat'sexactlyhowshewasandthat'swhyIfeltsomuchstressbytheendofschoolwasbecausefromtheminuteyouareinelementaryschoolshewaspushingmetodoeverythingperfectlywhereaseveryonewasjust,alltheotherkidsespeciallyinelementaryorjuniorhighyou'rejusthavingfun.Iwaspressuredyouknowsomuchtogetthegradesandmakethegrade.Whereasafterthatthenshealwaystoldmeassoonasyouareanadultassoonasyou'reeighteenyoudowhateveryouwantbutuntilthenokayitdoesn'tmatter,nomatterwhataslongasyougraduateafterthatyoucandowhateveryouwantbecausethenyou'resetyou'remadetogowherever.ButintheAmericanculturemydadwasactuallysayingtheopposite,enjoynowandthengetintoreallygoodschoolandthenyou'llreallystudybecausethat'swhat'sgonnaleadtoagoodjob.Totallytheopposite.

Daisy:

Well,Ithinkthateverybodyitdoesn'tmatterwhatcultureyouarefrom.Everybodyisinadifferentsituationwiththeirfamily.Someparentsarejustnaturallypushyandtheywanttheirchildrentodowellandsomeparentsdon'tcare.ButtheKoreaneducationsystemandIthinkprobablyalotofothereducationsystemsinAsiaespeciallytheJapaneseoneseemstobequiteuniqueinthefactatthat,youknowLukewassayingthereissomuchpressureonthesechildrenfromayoungage.AndIthinkthat'sabsurd.Basicallychildrenarespongesandtheycanlearnanythingtheycanabsorbbuteveniftheylearnitdotheyabsorbit.Ithinkthatthey'rejustlearningaparrotlikeforwantofabetterwordandthey'rejusttakinginthisinformationrememberingitusingitintheirpracticalway.Andnotbeingabletoapplyanythingthattheylearnedintheoryandthere'stoomuchofittootoomuchtoprocess.Idon'tthinkthey'reabletoprocessitandeveninuniversitiesIhadafriendwhowasstudyingengineeringandhehadthisassignmentwithanAmericanprofessorwasvisitingandtheAmericanprofessorsaidgoaheadanddesignoneofthosebigcranesthatyouseeonconstructionsites.Andhethought,ohwell,I'mafourthyearstudentIshouldknowhowtodothatbuthedidn't.Sohewenttoaconstructionsiteandaskedthesitemanagerhowwouldyoudesignoneofthem.Andthesitemanagersaidwhoareyou.AndhesaidI'mafourthyearuniversitystudent.Andhelaughedathimandsaid,"Gobacktoschool,youdothatwhenyougetarealjob."Sothere'snopracticalimplicationofanythingtheylearninschooloruniversity.

Vivian:

Andthatbringsustoapointwhere..,andthisisakindofsomethingthey'vebeenfocusingonrecentlyisthedifferenceineducation,themethodsofeducationthattheypracticeoverseasandAsiaversusEuropeorthewesterncountrieswhichisintheclassroomsituationtheteachersencouragestudentstorespondevenarguewiththestudentanddebateandtestouttheirideasandtheoriesintheclassroom.WhereasinAsianculturesyoudon'twannatalkbacktoyourteacher,youwanttoprettymuchsayeverythingyousayiscorrectbecauseonceyouargueoryouweretosay,well,"Whataboutthis?

"Thenthatmeansinthecultureyou'retalkingbacktotheteacher.That'slikethatcallsforreprimandingth